UnderGround Forums Why haven't fighters taken Kobe Bryant's advice?

2/4/20 11:50 AM
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In May of 2017 Bryant was invited to speak to UFC fighters at an athlete's retreat and was asked by labor organizer and featherweight contender Leslie Smith about the importance of collective bargaining and labor unions to NBA athletes like him.

Unions are "extremely important," Bryant said, though he was signed to the owner of the UFC, WME-IMG. "Even us as players, where we have our union meetings and things of that nature, we're normally at each other's throats competing against each other. But we understand completely that a rising tide raises all boats. When you guys have this unity and you guys are operating together on the same page together, it does nothing but simply fortify the sport, make the sport better. Not just for the present, but also for future generations that are coming. So, it's extremely important."

Unlike NBA players and athletes in other major sports, elite MMA fighters in the UFC are not unionized. So, unlike their counterparts in the NBA, UFC fighters don't have salaries, year-round health care, the possibility of pensions, and no transparency into royalties for the way their names and likenesses are used and earn money for the company. Athletes in the UFC also receive a smaller percentage of revenue, collectively, than do any other major American sports league. 

h/t Elias CepedaYahoo Sports

2/4/20 12:15 PM
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"Don't fly on helicopters in fog" would have been pretty good advice too.

2/4/20 12:18 PM
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Started and stopped reading at Elias

2/4/20 12:20 PM
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Anyone know what this Elias guy looks like?

2/4/20 1:01 PM
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OG 12er -

Anyone know what this Elias guy looks like?

You ever seen a vagina? 

2/4/20 1:06 PM
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^ stop insulting vaginas. the fuck did they do to deserve that

2/4/20 1:21 PM
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Because unions are fucking gay 

2/4/20 1:41 PM
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Didn't work out so well for the last person who attempted to spearhead a union drive...


2/4/20 2:29 PM
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Unions are so stupid anyways.  You know union collect dues from you no matter what right?  All these unions are just ways for someone along the way to be corrupt and steal money while they call others thieves. 

2/4/20 2:35 PM
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danybayamon23 -

Started and stopped reading at Elias

Same

2/4/20 2:43 PM
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OG 12er -

Anyone know what this Elias guy looks like?

Yeah 

2/4/20 2:45 PM
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The last line of OP is important. The ufc isn't a major sport, period. Any business has fixed costs and when your revenues are higher these fixed costs are a lower percentage of revenue. Therefore, there is more revenue left over after costs to split up amongst owners and players. I've said this roughly 100 times on here and most people are just too stupid to grasp this concept. Also, in today's world we've made people's incomes into an emotional issue. These threads are just fucking brutal. 

Edited: 2/4/20 3:08 PM
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Most fighters are not business smart.

Zuffa is mobbed up as well. They have the best legal team on the planet.

Zuffa has buried anyone's career who has tried to make a union.

2/4/20 3:10 PM
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NFL teams average valuation is about 3 billion. That times 32 teams = about 100 billion. While the UFC's valuation is about 7 billion. If that puts anything into perspective. 

2/4/20 3:26 PM
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"Without a union, the type of which Bryant encouraged UFC fighters to form several years ago, these athletes' fortunes are largely tied up with the moods and whims of the promotion's mercurial president Dana White."


Pretty much end of story. When that much power is vested in the hands of one individual with virtual zero accountability, then you are at the mercy of fate. Hope and pray that the man has good in his heart and will use the power wisely and for the benefit of all, ie the late NBA commissioner David Stern.

 

Otherwise you end up with imported snow for birthdays.

2/4/20 3:39 PM
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There is an extremely low level of entry/participation in prize fighting. Logan Paul boxes for more money than 95% of the UFC and made more than the NBA first year minimum. Your training partner at the gym could realistically fight professionally this weekend. BUT your friend you play pick up basketball with can not make it to the NBA. Conor/Nate/Khabib/Jones/Adensanya are not going to unionize so that Jessica Penne can make more money based off of their marketing and talent. This is prize fighting not team sports. Im not saying pay shouldnt/couldnt be different but they will need those who make the all the money to come to bat for them. Why would they? What is Jessica Penne doing to put money in Conors pockets? Leslie Smith? Augusto Sakai? It is a one way street. 

2/4/20 3:59 PM
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stainlesssteel - 

"Without a union, the type of which Bryant encouraged UFC fighters to form several years ago, these athletes' fortunes are largely tied up with the moods and whims of the promotion's mercurial president Dana White."


Pretty much end of story. When that much power is vested in the hands of one individual with virtual zero accountability, then you are at the mercy of fate. Hope and pray that the man has good in his heart and will use the power wisely and for the benefit of all, ie the late NBA commissioner David Stern.

 

Otherwise you end up with imported snow for birthdays.


But thats specifically about bonus's, right? If so, then they already agreed on a price for their talent. 

When you have a sport where people like CM Punk and Logan Paul can make more money than those who put years and years into it, its hard to figure out what should be a guaranteed salary or fight purse. It is far more about what money you bring in rather than your skills. You need those that bring the eyes to the fights to go to bat for those that dont. Thats a hard sell. Especially if it means less money to those at the top.

2/4/20 4:07 PM
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stainlesssteel - 

"Without a union, the type of which Bryant encouraged UFC fighters to form several years ago, these athletes' fortunes are largely tied up with the moods and whims of the promotion's mercurial president Dana White."


Pretty much end of story. When that much power is vested in the hands of one individual with virtual zero accountability, then you are at the mercy of fate. Hope and pray that the man has good in his heart and will use the power wisely and for the benefit of all, ie the late NBA commissioner David Stern.

 

Otherwise you end up with imported snow for birthdays.


But thats specifically about bonus's, right? If so, then they already agreed on a price for their talent. 

When you have a sport where people like CM Punk and Logan Paul can make more money than those who put years and years into it, its hard to figure out what should be a guaranteed salary or fight purse. It is far more about what money you bring in rather than your skills. You need those that bring the eyes to the fights to go to bat for those that dont. Thats a hard sell. Especially if it means less money to those at the top.

Correct. You get paid based on how well you promote the UFC.

2/4/20 4:28 PM
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"You need those that bring the eyes to the fights to go to bat for those that dont."

 

Thats the key. Until the Daniel Cormiers, the Jon Jones, the Khabib Nurmagomedovs and the Conor McGregors make the sacrifice, it's one massive uphill battle.

2/4/20 4:34 PM
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Nytron -

Most fighters are not business smart.

Zuffa is mobbed up as well. They have the best legal team on the planet.

Zuffa has buried anyone's career who has tried to make a union.

Nailed it. Their was that attempted fighters union luanched a few years back with a semi retired GSP, Cain Velasquez, TJ Dillashaw, Donald Cerrone, Tim Kennedy on the forefront. Remember Dana singled out Cerrone for going against Zuffa and Cerrone caved and apologized. The whole thing just fizzled out

2/4/20 4:41 PM
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Michael De Santa -

Who cares? He was a jackass before he faked his death & still is to this day.

Well thats a new take.

2/4/20 4:42 PM
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OG 12er -

"Don't fly on helicopters in fog" would have been pretty good advice too.

You are wishing he would have given helicopter advice at this meeting. ????

 

you Trumpers are getting worse by the day. 

2/4/20 5:01 PM
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Fuck unions. 
 

2/4/20 5:40 PM
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I always assumed Bryant wasn't part of the union.

He copies Jordan's model closely in many way and his Airness always refused to be part of it.

2/4/20 6:20 PM
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"MMA fighters should do what Shaq does, give the girls money or buy them cars"