UnderGround Forums Draculino: There's no such thing as 'Brazilian' JJ

2/5/20 10:14 AM
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Vinicius "Draculino" Magalhaes, 48, has been teaching Jiu-Jitsu for decades, producing competitors like Romulo Barral, Alberto Crane, and Samuel Braga. He began at the original Gracie Barra, rolling with childhood friends Ryan, Ralph, and Renzo Gracie. He opened the first Gracie Barra affiliate outside of Rio de Janeiro, in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, and now lives and teaches in Houston, Texas. A winner of countless grappling titles, he also competed under MMA rules; last fight was a win over Rocky Long at Strikeforce: Houston on August 21, 2010.

In a recent post on his social network, he decried the differentiation of JiuJitsu into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, American Jiu-Jitsu, 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, etc.

I've been holding my tongue for quite a while but people have to stop buying into the BULLS*** that some certain professors, athletes, and segments of the Jiu-Jitsu and Grappling media are vomiting into our community. in order to implement their own agenda and to capitalize on this. They are:

1- Dividing: They say that "real" Jiu-Jitsu is exclusively what they teach. Some say self-defense only classes are the real thing. Some others say competition is what counts and self-defense is dead and not necessary because a lawsuit solves everything. Others that NoGi is the only "realistic" way and the Gis are pajamas. Others that NoGI is not JJ and that in the street people wear clothes. Others say that sub only is what needs to be taught because if someone doesn't tap, there wasn't a victory, and etc, etc.

2- Branding: now there is this "American Jiu-Jitsu" trend. Well, there is no American, Brazilian, Japanese, Russian, Planet or any other name. THERE IS ONLY JIU-JITSU! If these idiots don't know, until the art exploded in the US, in BRAZIL, Europe, Japan, and other places the art was called Ju-Jitsu or Jiu-Jitsu. It was in HERE, in the US, that people started to brand it that way. Back in BRAZIL, we never said we practice JIU-JITSU BRASILEIRO. It was Jiu-Jitsu. Period. And now they say the American version is the best since it incorporated wrestling, Judo, and got more technical. WRONG! Wrestling was blended into JJ thanks to ROLLS GRACIE, who competed extensively in the sport and actually brought Bob Anderson, a great wrestler, to learn more (but Bob never got involved or taught JJ in America. The Gracies did). Judo and JJ are pretty much the same art with different rules and philosophies and since the '50s, several high-level athletes or fighters from each discipline cross-trained and competed in both scenarios like Kimura, Royler Gracie, Flavio Canto, Amauri Bitteti, Megaton, Yuki Nakai, and several others. This is not something that happened in America.

3- Creating a "new" philosophy: They say that what has been practiced, taught, and proved to be a very effective martial art and sport is obsolete. They say that the teaching methods that made them and the sport so big are wrong. They say that respect and reverence to those who paved the way is BS. That having their pictures on the wall is making it a cult. That bowing to them is ridiculous. Well, what they don't know or forget is that if they are making money, have fame, and do what they love IS BECAUSE OF THE HEROIC ACTIONS OF THESE " OLD GUYS WITH PICTURES ON THE WALL." And the worst is that most of these disrespectful fools don't have the balls to back it up. They don't have the same samurai spirit of the "old men on the walls" who literally fought with ANYONE, in any arena, in any rule, in the street, with no weight class. These idiots call brave men crazy, animals, or has-beens.

Well, my rant is over. But KNOW that there is only ONE Jiu-Jitsu. And this art is vast, huge, and improves every day (in Brazil, America, Japan, Europe, Australia, the Middle East). Embrace the new, but NEVER forget or disrespect our roots.

#unity #respectyourroots #onejiujitsu"

h/t Jiu-Jitsu Times

2/5/20 11:10 AM
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Awesome. Thx for posting 

2/5/20 11:17 AM
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"Judo and JJ are pretty much the same art with different rules and philosophies..."

 

I agree.  I've had arguments with a lot of people that said they were completely different, when it was obvious they both have the same moves.  One is more throw focused, the other more ground focused.

Edited: 2/5/20 11:36 AM
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It's Jujutsu. Spell it any other way it does not mean the same thing. They can start there.

2/5/20 11:59 AM
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sankyo - It's Jujutsu. Spell it any other way it does not mean the same thing. They can start there.

That's the correct spelling under the Hepburn method. But given the various methods of rendering Japanese in Roman letters in use when the art was introduced to the West at the turn of the last century, I don't think spelling matters much.

2/5/20 12:14 PM
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Amen to this

2/5/20 12:45 PM
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Amen except for the bowing to pictures bit.  People should research the history of those old guys.

2/5/20 12:54 PM
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Wasnt the original purpose of jui to Disable, disarm, or cripple? A battlefield strategy where you were encountering opponents armed with iron age weaponry where if you Loose your footing you were more likely to be killed....

2/5/20 1:37 PM
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It was but the truly effective joint manipulations have been removed from judo and sport JJ.  Old school hapkido and ajj is full of stuff illegal in judo, BJJ, American JJ, etc

2/5/20 1:53 PM
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Apparently he has never seen many of the Japanese-Americanized systems that are much less effective and have little ground work/newaza like Danzan Ryu, Budoshin, Small Circle, Yoshitsune, Sanuces Ryu, Miyama Ryu, Samurai, Vee Arnis Jitsu, etc, etc

2/5/20 9:18 PM
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Kirik -
sankyo - It's Jujutsu. Spell it any other way it does not mean the same thing. They can start there.

That's the correct spelling under the Hepburn method. But given the various methods of rendering Japanese in Roman letters in use when the art was introduced to the West at the turn of the last century, I don't think spelling matters much.

Not really.  It would alter the pronunciation considerably.  Here, people say jujutsu with a phonetic pronunciation closer to "juhjuts." Jiu-jitsu would read more like "jee-ooh jeets"

2/5/20 9:25 PM
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Judo is primarily about throwing, with griound fighting coming in if the fall isnlt counted as ippon, or the players fall to the ground. As for Japanese Jujitsu, there isn;t really such a thing. Instead, there are a numer if different schools with different philosophies. However, I do think he has a point on current sport players claiming that the old guys aren't as good as current competitors, some with blue, purple and brown belts. Rhadi Ferguson and Keenan Cornelius aere two who have claimed this. But, how would those lower belts do in a fight, or against players from other arts? Or some unpredictable guy off the street who starts throwing punches? One is a sport mentality, while the other takes real fighting into account.

2/5/20 9:35 PM
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Most of the modern leg lock meta is catch. 

2/5/20 10:18 PM
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Is there a  different "Draculino" teaching bin in Greece, or is this the same guy?

2/5/20 11:14 PM
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ChrisJPN -
Kirik -
sankyo - It's Jujutsu. Spell it any other way it does not mean the same thing. They can start there.

That's the correct spelling under the Hepburn method. But given the various methods of rendering Japanese in Roman letters in use when the art was introduced to the West at the turn of the last century, I don't think spelling matters much.

Not really.  It would alter the pronunciation considerably.  Here, people say jujutsu with a phonetic pronunciation closer to "juhjuts." Jiu-jitsu would read more like "jee-ooh jeets"

Yes, and "jiu-jitsu" is the proper way to spell it phonetically in Portuguese.

Edited: 2/5/20 11:49 PM
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jiu jitsu is how it was spelled everywhere, although the pronunciation was supposed to be jiu jitz. i've posted thousands of newspaper clippings from the 1890's to 1940's and 99% of the time, up until the 60's, it was spelled jiu jitsu

2/6/20 12:00 AM
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its the 90s UG all again? ;)

Edited: 2/6/20 12:23 AM
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Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

I'm pretty sure this goes back way before the 90's. There have been different ryu's of jiu jitsu and competitions between them since before the Gracies or Kano even.

2/6/20 12:33 AM
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Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

Rickson by armbar

2/6/20 12:56 AM
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Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

maybe pdeking and mark tripp can make an appearance and cause blue belt enforcer heads to explode

2/6/20 12:57 AM
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HillboFrateTrane - 
Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

Rickson by armbar


Water bottle imo

2/6/20 12:58 AM
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de braco - 
Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

maybe pdeking and mark tripp can make an appearance and cause blue belt enforcer heads to explode


And SPK to discuss which school of JJ is best for the phone booths?

2/6/20 1:01 AM
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Vinicius knows his stuff.  Also the Kanji ??everyone is usng for "Jiu Jitsu' is correctly the kanji for Ju Jutsu.

2/6/20 1:06 AM
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Uyenishi's book from 1905 spelt it jujutsu and i have a few articles from the same period stating it should rightly be called jujutsu and pronounced without the u on the end, but the jiu jitsu spelling carried on for another 55 years +-

2/6/20 2:45 AM
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Wasa-B -
HillboFrateTrane - 
Wasa-B -

its the 90s UG all again? ;)

Rickson by armbar


Water bottle imo

That story was hilarious. Nobody had really heard anything from Rickson in years and all of a sudden he pops up at some small tournament flipping out at some ref while coaching.